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There was no CIA website when I applied.

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I really didn't have a good concept of
what I would be doing.

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Then all of a sudden I find myself in a
situation that felt like it was straight

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out of a movie.

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They take me to a perfect interrogation
cell.

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I'm in the cell.

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They're with me.

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I start fighting.

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She wanted me dead.

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She tried three times, anything to stop
me from getting a look at those hacked

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documents. I don't know if it's well
known, but the carry of Homeland is

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on the carry of this story. And the
carry of this story is as aggressive, as

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focused as portrayed in that show.

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My job was to recruit spies and steal
secrets.

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In a war zone, there are lives on the
line. So there's a time clock.

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You could get the information that helps
somebody live tomorrow.

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You feel a lot of pressure because if
you get it wrong, there is a possibility

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that it could be life or death.

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So when I arrive in my second
assignment, It is in the Middle East

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Frank, my colleague, and I, they're
going to go out and meet an asset.

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As far as we can tell, no one sees us.

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And we go up this back flight of stairs
up to the floor where the asset lives.

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An asset is a person who has agreed to
work with the CIA in order to provide

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information.

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My name is Carrie Omelung.

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The CIA's mission is to get the hard
stuff, get information, and the very

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hardest things to get are the plans and
intentions of world leaders.

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So I'm hoping that our asset has the
best information and the secrets that we

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need that will keep our country safe.

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And, you know, protect people's lives.

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In most countries, if an asset gets
caught, they, at a minimum, would go to

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for the rest of their life. At a
maximum, they will be executed for

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And about at the point where I get the
camera set up, I hear like thud.

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And like the sound of feet and people
yelling, they bash the door in.

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About six guys come in and they start
yelling, you're spies, what are you

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in our country?

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But wait, let me start from the
beginning of this story.

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I'm standing in this country I've never
been.

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surrounded by people that speak a
language that I have just learned, and

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was when it hit. You know, this is for
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In a lot of ways, I was prepared through
training, quite well prepared, and

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sometimes even I didn't understand how
good that training was until I needed

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The training can be very valuable.

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One of the most important things is
situational awareness. Every city in the

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world, every country in the world where
we conduct operations is different.

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My name is Glenn Korn.

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I am a retired CIA officer, and I was an
instructor at the CIA's training

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facility. Many people know it as the
farm.

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Officers go there to learn in the
operations side of the agency.

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What is espionage? What is
counterintelligence? What is

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How do you identify it?

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And by the way, when you finish that
training, you have a high school diploma

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espionage. It takes years of being in
the field and actually running

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before you get your bachelor's degree,
your master's degree.

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Despite how good the training is,
there's nothing like actually doing it

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real life.

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Carrie is an exceptionally gifted
officer.

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I developed a level of trust in her
capabilities before she even showed up

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the station.

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My name's Robert Richer.

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I was deputy chief of station, the
number two in the station, in the

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where Carrie was posted.

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We were in French training together, so
we used to go running at one of our

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training locations.

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And we had great conversations about
operations, getting to know each other.

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I'd also done my homework.

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I'd seen where her prior assignment was.

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I'd saw what she'd done in her prior
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My first assignment, it was the end of
the Cold War.

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I'm 23 years old. The learning curve was
like this. You don't know if your home

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is bugged, your car.

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You really have to be...

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Always aware of, you know, where you
are, what you're saying, who might be

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listening.

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But there was also the advantage of, you
know, being young, female, American.

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I could crash any diplomatic reception
that I wanted to. I just put on nice

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clothes, look the part, be confident,
you just show up. And if you can draft

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somebody, hey, how you doing, and start
talking to someone, walk in with them,

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then it looks like you're their date.

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And then you can work the crowd.

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In espionage, you have to live a double
life. You have to lie.

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You have to deceive people sometimes.

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You have to manipulate. You have to
build relationships and networks.

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I would befriend somebody who looked
like their kind of big man on campus and

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the diplomatic crowd, draft on them to
meet the person that I wanted to meet.

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And that was actually better because
then you were sharking sort of with

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somebody in front of you.

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hiding you a little bit.

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I had quite a bit of success that way.

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For me, a journeyman officer is someone
who's learned the craft, they've

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executed their craft, and they're able
to do it without supervision.

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So I knew I had almost a journeyman
officer, and usually we won't consider

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someone a journeyperson officer until
they've had a couple more tours. No, she

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was there already.

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So when I arrived on my second
assignment, I was all of about 25 years

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I felt like I walked out of my first
assignment with skill.

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So I'm feeling a little nervous, but at
the same time, I'm feeling prepared.

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She was working in the agency at a time
when female case officers had to work

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twice as hard to prove themselves as
anyone else.

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And remember, this is at a time when
Desert Storm is picking up.

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Iraq invaded and took over its tiny
neighbor Kuwait today. That set off

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worldwide protest and drew sanctions
from the United States, Great Britain

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the Soviet Union.

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So in the wake of Saddam's Iraqi
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The U .S. stood up to defend the area
from further expansion of that

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by Saddam. There was concern that they
may go from Kuwait to Saudi Arabia or

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somewhere else, and at the same time to
come up with a coalition to push him out

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of Kuwait.

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So it was very tense.

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While the coalition included Arab
countries that were allies, there were

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Arab countries that were less inclined
to support Desert Storm and to

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our work against Iraq.

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So we still had to collect information
on the host country's intentions and

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they're doing against us.

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The whole station was kind of in a
turnover, you know, because assignments

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two to three years in a lot of places.

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And so in this case, when I arrived
within days, the new chief of station

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in. And I was, I'm pretty sure the first
female ops officer that had been in

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this country.

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And she for sure, was the first female
chief of station that had been in this

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part of the world.

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So the chief of station is generally
more experienced, has had multiple

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comes in to give guidance and
leadership, but also to meet with the

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intelligence services.

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And the host country's intelligence
services did not like meeting with her.

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She's a woman.

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So she came into a boiling pot.

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were not particularly welcome in that
country at that time.

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So that compounded things. It was a
different kind of challenge.

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In this case, you know, the biggest
American presence was at the U .S.

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in this country.

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And so that was often the center of
protests.

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For example, people took the yolk out of
an egg and they filled it with acid

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and they would throw it at your car.

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And people might follow you for not
reasons of espionage, but for reasons of

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harassment.

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I would walk down the street and people
would, you know, intentionally bump into

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me, try to elbow me in the chest.

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It wasn't particularly safe for a
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And the nature of my work, of course,
was to be alone at night on the streets

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in my vehicle.

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So you had to manage that as well.

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At one point, Rob pulls me in and says,
Pat, the chief of station, wants you to

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take this asset.

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Because I learned Frank, the guy who's
handling the case now, is departing in

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two months.

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So we talked to Carrie and we talked to
the other officer, and they arranged to

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make a turnover.

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And a turnover is when one case
officer... Handles the other agent to

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case officer. And turnovers are actually
when you cement a relationship with an

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asset.

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Frank tells the asset, look, I'm leaving
the country, but I'm going to introduce

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you to a very experienced female
officer.

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So the guy isn't surprised when a woman
walks in in this part of the world which

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he hasn't seen before in this context.

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This asset had been a long -term asset,
and he had access to a lot of documents

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from his government that were of
interest. And at that point, countries

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area of the world were kind of picking
sides. Like, you were either, you know,

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with the Kuwaitis and us, or you were
with the Iraqis.

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It's always really good if you can get
an asset who can provide you documentary

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information, like official documents.

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You can have assets that can tell you
things, and that's great too, but to

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the proof of like, okay, I can see this
document with an official stamp, and it

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looks like others that we've seen, it
helps to validate that this is good

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information.

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Hopefully, the intelligence will help us
understand what the government was

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thinking, and particularly at this time,
were they helping Saddam Hussein?

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So I probably spent two to three weeks
preparing for this first meeting.

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And as I'm doing this, I noticed
something really strange about this case

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where they were holding the meetings.

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I think they're meeting this guy in his
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How can that be? You know, that's not
what we were trained to do.

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I'm thinking this is weird.

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Generally, you don't want to meet an
agent in their residence.

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Because there are other people that can
see you.

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The neighbors, the doorman, the taxi
driver on the street outside. They can

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that activity. They can see you arrive,
so they may see a foreigner arrive, and

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they say, why is a foreigner going to
that person's apartment?

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It can be life or death for them.

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In this country, an asset being caught
working for us, especially with... The

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amount of documents that was involved
and his position.

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He was looking at, if not life
imprisonment, execution.

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Safety of that asset is the most
important thing that you're worried

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I mean, we took every precaution. If you
make a mistake, real consequences are

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going to happen.

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Finally, before we went out, I took a
tiny little paper and then I...

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encrypted a phone number for another
asset who they'd lost contact with.

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Maybe after we do this meeting, I can
hit a pay phone and try to call this

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I'm going to make sure that I'm not
being followed because I'm new.

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I'm still learning what it looks like
here.

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I plan my surveillance detection route
and Frank, the departing officer who was

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introducing me to this asset.

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Plans his.

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And, of course, a flashback to training.

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Surveillance detection is designed to
make sure that the officer is confident

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when they go to meet an agent or to do a
clandestine operation that they are not

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being followed.

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They're not being trailed. They're not
being tracked.

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We park the car.

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We get out several blocks away from
where the meeting is going to be.

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And we get out of the car.

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There's no one around.

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You want to make sure that no one's
following you.

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Because, you know, maybe in that country
they have a suspicion of who you are

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and what your real job is.

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It's a very complicated issue, by the
way. It's one of the hardest stresses in

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my experience that you have as an
officer.

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Because a good surveillance team can be
sometimes very hard to detect.

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As far as we can tell, no one sees us.

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And we go up this back flight of stairs.

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We emerge out of the stairwell.

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Look around. No one's there.

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Walk quickly down to where the apartment
is.

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Push on the door. It's ajar, like it's
supposed to be.

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We walk in.

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And it turns out I did not know really
what I was signing up for.

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In many countries, if somebody is caught
meeting with a CIA officer, they can be

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executed. And unfortunately, there is a
history of that.

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When you run an agent, you are
responsible for that person's life, and

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better take it seriously.

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At that time, it was the original Gulf
War, and this asset had been working for

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us for years.

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He had access to a lot of documents.

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from his government.

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So I have all of these things that I
have brought along inside a black

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purse -looking thing. So from the
outside, it looks like I just have kind

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like a big tote bag or purse. And it's
typical of what you might see someone

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carrying there.

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One of the most important things that I
needed was the guy's salary, which was

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cash. It was definitely solid
intelligence that he had been providing.

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paid for that.

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And all of a sudden, I hear like thud.

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And like the sound of feet and people
yelling.

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So I take the money.

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I shove it in my bag. I take the camera.

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I shove it in my bag. I'm trying to do
all this because I'm taking the

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documents, everything that is
incriminating. I'm trying to get in the

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because I don't know what's going on,
but it is not a good sound.

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As I'm doing this, they bash the door
in.

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About six guys come in.

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One of them has a camera.

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And he's like...

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Snapping pictures and they start yelling
and they're saying, you know, you're

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you're spies.

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What do you do in our country?

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And I look at Frank. He looks as
surprised and confused as I am.

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It's all happening really fast.

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I'm really thinking about, OK, what is
going on exactly?

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And how do I make sure I don't do
anything that makes the situation worse?

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Eventually, they sort of grab a hold of
us and start marching us down out of the

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building.

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to the cars.

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Where are they taking us?

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I don't know the city that well yet.

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I go back to my training and a strategy
for survival in this kind of a

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situation.

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In any stressful situation, your
adrenaline is going to kick in. You have

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maintain control. There are places I was
where I was walking around, but we knew

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that the opposition was looking to find
an American to behead them.

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You've got to maintain control of
yourself. You can't freak out.

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We pull up in front of this big brick
installation, and we drive

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down a ramp.

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They park, and they grab a hold of us
and march us into this building.

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Frank is somewhere else.

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They put him somewhere else. I don't
know where he is. I can't hear him. I

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know what's happening to him. I don't
know if he's being treated worse than I

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am. I don't know if they're torturing
him and going to get him to say

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I'm trying like 100 miles an hour trying
to think about, you know, what is the

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best thing for me to do in this
situation?

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And pulling from anything that you know
from the past.

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I grew up in a tiny town in the middle
of Illinois.

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There were 1 ,500 people and one
stoplight.

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I was lucky in that my mom was always
really encouraging of me of any interest

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that I did have.

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She was a young mom.

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But she was kind of a hero to me because
she constantly went back to school.

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Her goal was to get her undergraduate
degree by the time I got mine.

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And then she got her master's, and then
she went for her Ph .D. So she was a

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strong figure for me and someone that I
never wanted to disappoint.

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My mom, for sure, fought hard.

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And so I tried to always be like that.

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I am clutching this bag like it is my
firstborn child. My fingers are, you

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I'm on it.

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This bag and what's inside could be life
and death to the asset.

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And they take me to a perfect, like out
of a movie, interrogation cell.

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I'm in the cell.

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They're with me.

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The guy with the gun points at me.

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What happens if you are detained?

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What happens if there is, like, an
unfortunate incident?

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We've had officers detained. We've had
officers killed.

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That's a very real concern that you have
to have.

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It's like the quote from Churchill,
there's no safe battle.

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And now they come after the bag.

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I start fighting when I say, I am a
diplomat. You can't do this to me under

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laws of the Geneva Convention. And this
bag is my property and it's covered

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under those same laws, which is probably
not true.

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And I'd like to think that, you know, I
was winning until another guy comes up

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and starts peeling my fingers one by
one.

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And finally they get the bag.

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So I'm feeling a little bit defeated at
that point.

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But one of the things that they taught
us in training is if you're in a

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situation where you are taken prisoner.

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One of the most important things to do
is just to sort of sit and think about

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what do you know?

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What are the things that you know?

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What are the things that you're
learning? What are their actions telling

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So the first thing was I gave them every
reason to clock me pretty hard upside

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the head, and they didn't.

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That was really kind of powerful
information because I knew that threat

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person wasn't their main objective.

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Then I have to think about, okay, what
is my strategy while in here?

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I still don't know why they've done this
and what they're going to do to our

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asset.

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And so anything I say, I'm just afraid
that they will use against him.

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There is training designed to teach you
what to do if you're interrogated. How

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do you respond?

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You should never admit that you're doing
something illegal.

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Your cover is important.

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It's explaining why are you in this
place? What are you doing there?

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So you have to look like what you say
your job is.

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Right now, in my bag, they have an
official document that says I work in

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embassy. So I'm going to stick to that
cover.

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And I'm going to stick to it as long as
I can.

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The CIA told me when I joined that, you
know, you can't tell this to anybody,

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that you really work for the CIA. For
your own safety, for the effectiveness

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your career.

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So I told no one, except my mom, for
years.

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Once you profess to being a spy, you've
broadened what they can ask you, and

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you've put yourself in a different
situation.

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Critical to your survival is living your
cover.

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And critical to your mission is living
your cover.

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And critical to the lives of your agents
is living your cover.

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So I say, I am a diplomat, and I want to
speak to my ambassador. Under the

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Geneva Convention, you can't hold me
prisoner without a chance to speak to my

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government or my representative.

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And they just keep telling me, you have
no rights in this country.

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Sit down and shut up.

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And that was sort of the conversations
that we were having.

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Until somebody comes in, and I think of
him now as the interrogator, and he

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comes in, and he starts asking me
questions. And one of the questions is,

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your name?

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Which I found really weird because they
have my bag and in my bag is my official

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ID. So they know that I'm affiliated
with the embassy. So they know my name.

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So why are they asking me this? So I
found that was sort of weird. But OK,

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maybe this is just their standard, like
how they interrogate people. Like, we'll

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start with your name. But that seems a
little weird.

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And they kept after it. And I'm like,
I'm not answering any of your questions

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until you let me call the U .S.
ambassador.

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And so that's how it goes for hours.

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I don't know where Frank is.

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I don't know how they're treating him.

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I don't know if he said anything, what
our asset has said. I don't know any of

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these things. So it makes absolutely no
sense in my mind for me to say a word.

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And finally, you know, they get tired,
they go out.

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And then I remember I have this little
piece of paper in my pocket.

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A tiny little piece of water -soluble
paper, so it's paper that dissolves when

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it hits water with a phone number.

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One of the other cases that I was given
was an asset who they'd lost contact

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with.

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Earlier that day, I was thinking, okay,
maybe after we do this meeting, I will

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try to call this guy.

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So I have this little piece of paper in
my pocket.

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But the fact that I've possessed water
-soluble paper, you know, old -school

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tools, not many people do that, you
know, and people who do are usually, you

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know, spies.

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And that thing is like the sword of
Damocles hanging over my head. I think,

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like, oh, God, I've got to get rid of
this thing. They haven't searched my

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person yet, but they could at any
moment.

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So if they find this paper...

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What do I do?

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We learn in training, everybody
eventually breaks under hospital

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Eventually, you know, there's a certain
amount of pain and things that you just,

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that threshold you cross and you'll
start talking.

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And so I'm thinking, how can I get rid
of this encrypted phone number that

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dissolves when it hits the water?

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I might have stuck it in my mouth.

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I can tell you something, though.

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My mouth was dry.

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There was a lot of adrenaline. And when
you're that sort of amped up, at least

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for me, my mouth goes dry. So I wasn't
sure I could actually even choke the

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thing down.

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And the guard is really close to where I
am. So there was a chance me, you know,

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digging around in my back pocket, trying
to pull out. He could even see that.

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So I think, ah, guard, I need to go to
the bathroom.

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And the guard ignores me.

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I really need to go to the bathroom.

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So the guy, you know, grabs me by the
arm, and we march out into the hallway.

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And I'm thinking that I will go into the
bathroom, I will pull this thing out, I

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will drop it in the toilet water, and
poof, it's gone.

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And of course...

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In this place, they do not have a
women's restroom.

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They have kind of a closet.

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And so he takes me into this room. It's
gross.

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And he wants to come in with me.

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Of course, that doesn't suit my plan,
nor do I really want him watching me go

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the bathroom. So I make a thought.

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I say, no, you cannot possibly be in
here.

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Just leave the door open, you know,
whatever. And they decide, okay, fine,

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leave the door a little bit open.

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But then when I go into the bathroom,
it's one of the old school kind of on

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floor toilets that don't have water.

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Quick, quick, quick, what do I do?

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Unfortunate things happen.

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Bad luck strikes.

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And so you need to be prepared all the
time for that adversity.

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My husband likes to joke that he doesn't
think I have the fear gene, but I think

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it also comes from that's just how
you're wired.

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You know, I watched my mom be strong
and, you know, and she worked full time.

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And so a lot of stuff I had to handle on
my own.

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It wasn't necessarily the most
traditional upbringing.

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So I suppose I had to figure out my
place in the world and how to blend in

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think on my feet a little bit growing
up.

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I'm sure there are things that I'm
afraid of, but I don't dwell in that.

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It's for me more like the motivation.

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How do I get through this thing? How do
I beat this thing?

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How do I outsmart it?

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I can say that in the situations where I
was under a lot of stress, there was a

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point in each of these situations where
the training, something I learned,

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snapped. And as stressed as I was and as
nervous and as scared as I was,

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something would say, like, this is what
you were taught.

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Nut up and get out there and go do the
job.

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Thankfully, I'm shielded enough that I'm
able to

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pull out the water -sol paper.

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There's no water in the toilet, except
the next best thing.

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I pee on it.

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And it worked, thank God.

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I was so relieved.

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00:29:01,820 --> 00:29:08,340
I can confirm that urine works just as
well as water. And that was a small

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victory, but huge in my mind. And one of
the other things that they taught you

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in these kind of situations, or if
you're being held, is Get a small

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something that helps you feel like you
have gotten back some of your power.

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And so while I still berate myself for
having that little piece of paper in my

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pocket, even when I think about it now,
you know, I feel like it was a little

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bit of an embarrassing, unprofessional
moment that I had that with me. It ended

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up being empowering in that circumstance
because I was able to get rid of it and

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get away with it.

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And so that was my first small victory.

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00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:58,500
Early morning, I get a phone call from a
distraught station officer's wife

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noting her husband frankly hasn't come
home.

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00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,220
Now, could he have been out having a
beer somewhere in town?

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A personal relationship he hadn't
disclosed?

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That's possible, but it wasn't that
officer's character.

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At that point, we knew that our
officers, at least one officer, had a

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So that was a concern.

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So after I get rid of the water stall,
they take me back into the cell, and I'm

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sitting there, and I'm thinking, okay,
relief.

448
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:31,870
I've solved a problem. That is good.

449
00:30:32,370 --> 00:30:33,930
I've made my little victory.

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I get to start thinking.

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Think about what's happening.

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Are there clues?

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00:30:40,170 --> 00:30:41,710
Are there things I can learn from this?

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I'm pulling back again from my training.

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00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:46,690
Okay, I'm going to replay everything in
my head that happened.

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So I go back over how they came into the
apartment.

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I go back over to the guy with the
camera.

458
00:30:55,970 --> 00:31:00,190
I feel very confident that we did not
bring the surveillance to this meeting.

459
00:31:00,190 --> 00:31:01,650
wasn't something that we did.

460
00:31:05,230 --> 00:31:08,030
And then I remember what was happening
to the asset.

461
00:31:12,170 --> 00:31:16,250
At some point when they were coming into
the apartment, I look up at the asset,

462
00:31:16,590 --> 00:31:20,850
and I look at his eyes, and he doesn't
look as scared as I would imagine him to

463
00:31:20,850 --> 00:31:21,850
look.

464
00:31:23,210 --> 00:31:27,090
It's kind of weird. Like, it just hit me
wrong. Like, this guy doesn't look

465
00:31:27,090 --> 00:31:28,130
surprised, even.

466
00:31:28,770 --> 00:31:31,970
If anything, he might even look a little
bit guilty in the eyes. I mean, this is

467
00:31:31,970 --> 00:31:34,530
all, like, happening in a second, so, I
mean, I could be wrong.

468
00:31:34,830 --> 00:31:37,410
But it just didn't feel right.

469
00:31:39,150 --> 00:31:43,110
It starts to really come through that,
yeah, this was a setup. This was all

470
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:46,270
planned. They knew that meeting was
going to happen, and they were there

471
00:31:46,270 --> 00:31:47,270
waiting.

472
00:31:48,250 --> 00:31:52,430
They knew that we were spying and very
unhappy about it.

473
00:31:56,950 --> 00:32:01,370
All of a sudden, the guard that's in the
room with me kind of snaps to

474
00:32:01,370 --> 00:32:03,850
attention, and I hear some voices in the
hallway.

475
00:32:04,450 --> 00:32:08,110
And this man in a suit, like a proper
suit.

476
00:32:08,700 --> 00:32:14,820
Kind of stomps into the room, looks at
me, comes up and he kind of grabs my

477
00:32:14,820 --> 00:32:15,820
face.

478
00:32:17,500 --> 00:32:18,900
And he says, who the hell are you?

479
00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:25,600
He touched my face and pinched it. I
mean, I didn't understand why.

480
00:32:28,260 --> 00:32:35,040
Possibly he thought I had some sort of
mask or disguise on, but he

481
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,200
was clearly expecting something
different than what.

482
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:39,600
She found with me.

483
00:32:40,940 --> 00:32:45,580
Looks at the guard. The guard looks kind
of scared. He looks as surprised and

484
00:32:45,580 --> 00:32:46,580
confused as I am.

485
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,100
And the guy thumps out.

486
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:51,740
Okay, that's weird.

487
00:32:52,220 --> 00:32:53,620
It was early morning hours.

488
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:58,380
Not long after, gotten a phone call from
the station officer's wife. Phone rings

489
00:32:58,380 --> 00:33:02,920
again. It's the deputy chief of the
internal service of that particular

490
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,700
saying, I need you to come to the...

491
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,620
Building, no, and bring your chief.

492
00:33:10,780 --> 00:33:12,260
And then I hear a commotion again.

493
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,860
This time, everybody starts moving, and
I hear voices, and I hear more voices,

494
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:23,680
and they grab me by the arm, one on each
side of me, and march me out into the

495
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:24,680
hallway.

496
00:33:26,620 --> 00:33:30,700
We're walking forward, and out from one
of these other rooms in the hallway

497
00:33:30,700 --> 00:33:31,900
comes Frank with his guy.

498
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,300
The room that he emerged from looked
like an office room.

499
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:41,020
Like, not like the dirty -caught naked
lightbulb room that I was in, but he

500
00:33:41,020 --> 00:33:42,680
seemed to be in somebody's office.

501
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,820
Okay. They gave me a different reception
than they gave him.

502
00:33:48,940 --> 00:33:54,480
We all kind of form in a group, and we
march out, and we go out into the dead

503
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:55,480
night.

504
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,660
The chief and I walk in, and the...

505
00:34:02,430 --> 00:34:06,530
The liaison chief starts lecturing me
about what an embarrassment. They were

506
00:34:06,530 --> 00:34:09,889
upset. Why would you do this? We will
tell you anything. They went out of

507
00:34:09,889 --> 00:34:11,889
way to express their displeasure with
us.

508
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:14,050
And I keep looking to the chief.

509
00:34:14,770 --> 00:34:17,409
She understood it exactly and tried to
engage. He wouldn't even talk to her.

510
00:34:17,870 --> 00:34:18,870
He wouldn't even talk to her.

511
00:34:19,330 --> 00:34:20,650
It was very disrespectful.

512
00:34:21,050 --> 00:34:24,270
He finally looks to me and he says, you
are the chief of this old dog.

513
00:34:24,889 --> 00:34:25,889
We are done with her.

514
00:34:27,210 --> 00:34:30,969
I'm trying my best to sort of see where
they're taking us because I have no

515
00:34:30,969 --> 00:34:31,969
idea.

516
00:34:32,330 --> 00:34:35,250
We go into this courtyard area.

517
00:34:35,489 --> 00:34:37,830
It's just kind of grassy and devoid of
anyone.

518
00:34:38,469 --> 00:34:41,510
And we're walking across it.

519
00:34:43,170 --> 00:34:48,730
And in one of the most inappropriately
funny moments of my career, Frank says,

520
00:34:49,010 --> 00:34:53,710
well, I hope they at least give us a
cigarette before the firing squad comes.

521
00:34:59,630 --> 00:35:04,070
They march us across the rest of the
courtyard and into the building. And at

522
00:35:04,070 --> 00:35:06,770
this point, the lights are, you know,
like super bright and we're going

523
00:35:06,770 --> 00:35:11,770
and into this beautiful conference room,
which is not what I expected at all.

524
00:35:13,610 --> 00:35:19,110
And at the head of the table is the guy
in the suit who had come in and was so

525
00:35:19,110 --> 00:35:20,230
displeased to see me.

526
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:27,380
I know that he's important in this
organization, which I assume is their

527
00:35:27,380 --> 00:35:30,880
equivalent intelligence service. And
then I look to his right.

528
00:35:32,020 --> 00:35:35,020
And there's Rob, my deputy chief of
station.

529
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,260
Rob looks over at me and says, are you
OK?

530
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,040
And I'm like, I'm fine.

531
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,560
And the guy at the head of the station
was like, oh, it does speak.

532
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:51,200
First, we had to have a very long and
strident lecture about.

533
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,220
how terrible we were and what we were
doing and how dare we, and this is their

534
00:35:55,220 --> 00:35:59,320
country, and how can we be like this?
And, you know, we had to hear a very

535
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,280
sort of lecture about everything.

536
00:36:03,020 --> 00:36:08,640
Carrie was almost belligerent. I was
watching her face, and she's just, like,

537
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:09,900
ready to take them on.

538
00:36:10,260 --> 00:36:11,540
But she never broke cover.

539
00:36:12,460 --> 00:36:13,500
Never broke cover.

540
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,620
I was given 24 hours to leave the
country.

541
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,920
And Frank was given a couple of days.

542
00:36:24,740 --> 00:36:28,020
We were lucky because many times they'll
PNG the whole station.

543
00:36:28,420 --> 00:36:31,060
Persona non grata means basically get
out of my country now.

544
00:36:31,540 --> 00:36:35,200
They said these officers need to leave
the country.

545
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,060
We are not going to make it a big public
event.

546
00:36:38,420 --> 00:36:40,940
However, this has been embarrassing.
This is going to hurt relations.

547
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,060
And your ambassador will be told about
it by the foreign minister.

548
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,180
Afterwards, they're released.

549
00:36:50,620 --> 00:36:54,780
We then go into a deep breach in the
secure space to help us understand

550
00:36:54,780 --> 00:36:55,780
what happened.

551
00:36:56,500 --> 00:37:01,200
Frank and I were worried that people
would think that we had made the mistake

552
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:02,340
and that's why this happened.

553
00:37:03,180 --> 00:37:06,020
And we start piecing together a little
bit.

554
00:37:06,430 --> 00:37:09,650
You know, I have little bits that I
recall. Frank has little bits that he

555
00:37:09,650 --> 00:37:13,610
recalls. We put it together. And then
also Rob had some really interesting

556
00:37:13,610 --> 00:37:16,890
perspective because he's been dealing
with the head of the service and the one

557
00:37:16,890 --> 00:37:17,549
called in.

558
00:37:17,550 --> 00:37:21,670
So we start, you know, talking about it.
Both of us are sure that we didn't

559
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:28,030
bring surveillance, that this was all
planned, that was borne out by the way

560
00:37:28,030 --> 00:37:29,030
that they came in.

561
00:37:29,900 --> 00:37:34,840
How many of them, the camera, the
charges of espionage immediately, and

562
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:35,840
disappearance of the guy.

563
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:42,400
And then the big question, why did they
call Rob and not Pat, the chief of

564
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:43,400
station?

565
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,740
Why were they so surprised to see me?

566
00:37:47,380 --> 00:37:50,100
The man coming in, tugging on my face.

567
00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:55,280
Frank being put in what looked like kind
of an office, and I was in a jail cell.

568
00:37:57,339 --> 00:38:01,360
Rob was like, okay, Frank, what did you
tell the asset about the new officer?

569
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,340
Well, I told him it was a female officer
because I didn't want him to be shocked

570
00:38:05,340 --> 00:38:08,920
and that she was very experienced.

571
00:38:10,060 --> 00:38:13,900
Carrie and the chief of station are tall
women, relatively tall women, and about

572
00:38:13,900 --> 00:38:14,819
the same size.

573
00:38:14,820 --> 00:38:20,160
They would not believe that we would
have two female officers, and they

574
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,160
they had the chief.

575
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,920
They thought they caught her, and
they're going to get her out of the

576
00:38:24,620 --> 00:38:26,200
We're going to get that woman out of
here.

577
00:38:27,310 --> 00:38:30,690
You know, if you want to embarrass the
CIA in your country and maybe get them

578
00:38:30,690 --> 00:38:36,410
out, what a better way to catch the
chief of station red handed. It would

579
00:38:36,410 --> 00:38:38,410
been a big win for them.

580
00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:43,630
But I'm still really concerned, you
know, about what happened to the asset.

581
00:38:45,290 --> 00:38:52,030
It turns out that the asset had earlier
in his marriage been stepping out

582
00:38:52,030 --> 00:38:53,570
on his wife.

583
00:38:54,030 --> 00:38:55,590
And, you know, once.

584
00:38:55,930 --> 00:39:02,890
Hell Hath No Fury, she watched that guy
like a hawk. And one

585
00:39:02,890 --> 00:39:08,370
day, apparently, she was talking to some
of her extended family and griped about

586
00:39:08,370 --> 00:39:12,430
him and meeting these Americans. And it
was the wrong person to say that to

587
00:39:12,430 --> 00:39:16,590
because that got back to the country
intelligence service.

588
00:39:16,910 --> 00:39:19,170
And they started watching him.

589
00:39:20,930 --> 00:39:24,510
They apparently caught him taking
documents out.

590
00:39:26,510 --> 00:39:33,410
And then we're able to coerce him into
working for them to catch us.

591
00:39:33,910 --> 00:39:38,810
After that, he went to jail. I mean,
they did not forgive him for the

592
00:39:38,850 --> 00:39:39,629
for sure.

593
00:39:39,630 --> 00:39:43,650
My gut feeling is that they would have
let this asset run against us and feed

594
00:39:43,650 --> 00:39:47,750
information, because it's always in the
other side's interest to give you false

595
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:52,970
information and to see what you're
interested in. But when that asset was

596
00:39:52,970 --> 00:39:55,310
and reported, hey, it's going to be a
woman.

597
00:39:55,710 --> 00:39:56,710
They said, we got the chief.

598
00:39:57,890 --> 00:39:59,870
She was doomed from the day she got
there.

599
00:40:05,630 --> 00:40:12,290
When I came back to Washington, walking
into that building, it was

600
00:40:12,290 --> 00:40:14,970
probably almost as scary as the event
itself.

601
00:40:16,690 --> 00:40:20,210
You don't know how it's going to land on
people in Washington. And if there were

602
00:40:20,210 --> 00:40:22,950
political ramifications that reached to
the White House.

603
00:40:24,060 --> 00:40:26,120
were they going to give me another
overseas assignment?

604
00:40:26,420 --> 00:40:27,780
Do I have a career left?

605
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,880
So I go in to meet the chief of the
division.

606
00:40:34,380 --> 00:40:39,700
He was like, I understand, I've read,
you know, and I've talked to Rob, and

607
00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:44,040
just go, you take care of yourself, you
take a little bit of time, and we'll

608
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,580
talk to you about what's next.

609
00:40:47,260 --> 00:40:48,640
So it wasn't really definitive.

610
00:40:50,420 --> 00:40:54,560
Later on, I found out that Rob, first
thing in the morning that morning, he

611
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,860
on the secure line, called Washington
and explained what had happened.

612
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:04,760
And he had already shaped the narrative
of what had happened. And so it didn't

613
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,020
have a chance to land the wrong way.

614
00:41:07,820 --> 00:41:11,540
I was not going to let Washington hold
them accountable for anything that they

615
00:41:11,540 --> 00:41:12,540
did not do.

616
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:17,240
But for the most part, if an op was
compromised and you had nothing to do

617
00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:19,660
it, and the review shows that, we move
on.

618
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,460
We all expect something bad to happen in
our careers. The object is how you

619
00:41:23,460 --> 00:41:24,460
mitigate it and how you handle it.

620
00:41:26,060 --> 00:41:28,380
I mean, I already had a lot of respect
for Rob.

621
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:30,860
But this is when it really grew.

622
00:41:31,820 --> 00:41:33,420
He was like, you're fine.

623
00:41:34,580 --> 00:41:36,560
We're going to sort everything out.
Don't you worry.

624
00:41:37,980 --> 00:41:39,500
You know, it's going to be okay.

625
00:41:39,740 --> 00:41:42,220
That was, I mean, you can see I'm
emotional about it.

626
00:41:46,300 --> 00:41:48,280
After that incident, the chief and I had
to vote.

627
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,160
Put down long reports, talk about it,
what we knew and what we did beforehand.

628
00:41:52,860 --> 00:41:55,380
The chief was sent out not long after
that.

629
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,380
And I was recalled by the Marine Corps
for Desert Storm.

630
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,860
And like everything else, station
continued.

631
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,480
New manager was brought in.

632
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,080
New athletes were probably recruited.

633
00:42:08,500 --> 00:42:11,860
After that meeting, I saw in the hallway
one of the people that I'd worked for

634
00:42:11,860 --> 00:42:15,100
during training. And he saw me and said,
hey, I heard what happened to you.

635
00:42:15,420 --> 00:42:17,900
Come see me. I think I got a job for
you.

636
00:42:19,250 --> 00:42:22,250
And that was, you know, that was the
best thing to hear, and it did.

637
00:42:23,770 --> 00:42:28,030
You know, somebody who stepped up and
had my back.

638
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:35,340
I had a long agency career after that,
and I was able to pay it back.

639
00:42:35,780 --> 00:42:40,060
I was able to go on, and I was able to
be chief of station several times.

640
00:42:40,420 --> 00:42:45,180
And those lessons stayed with me, and I
always tried to be that kind of leader

641
00:42:45,180 --> 00:42:46,180
to my people.

642
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:50,080
I retired from the CIA after 33 1⁄2
years of service.

643
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,100
People have to understand it's a hard
life, but it's very rewarding.

644
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,920
Because there's no better feeling than
stopping a terrorist attack, than having

645
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,840
a source and a network that can warn you
they're going to kill the U .S.

646
00:43:00,860 --> 00:43:04,060
ambassador in this country. They made
the decision last night, and this is how

647
00:43:04,060 --> 00:43:07,400
they're going to do it. And then being
able to disrupt that threat.

648
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:12,960
This job is about risk. It's about
managing risk. It's about walking up to

649
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:13,960
line.

650
00:43:15,820 --> 00:43:17,360
But we have a job to do.

651
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:23,420
And for me, it was all about always
trying to make the world a safer place.

652
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:25,870
I'm proud of that.